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Status Not under consideration
Created by Guest
Created on Dec 7, 2021

Set a property on which the search result should be sorted in the IS-Connector for ICN

In IDM Desktop and ISTK there was the possibility to set a property on which the search result should be sorted. Unfortunately this is no longer possible in the IS-Connector for ICN. Our customer does not use ICN, but has his own frontend solution using the ICN API for the search query in the background. Since it cannot be ensured in which order Image Services delivers the search result, all records of the search query must first be queried and then the entire search result must be sorted. For large files of up to 100,000 documents this takes an extremely long time. For security reasons, a direct search in the DocTaba table via SQL is not possible. Our suggestion is to re-implement the capability as it was in IDM Desktop.
Idea priority Medium
  • Guest
    Apr 21, 2022

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    NEIL Parrott responded to idea Set a property on which the search
    result should be sorted in the IS-Connector for ICN
    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    NEIL Parrott

    11:26am

    CMIS/ICN passes a skip count to query. This is used to page
    through a list of documents.

    We use the skip count and do FIND DIR with match list until we
    have skipped the correct number of documents and then return the
    next batch of documents. As the user pages through more
    documentsthe skip count grows and the FIND DIR needs to be called
    more times to skip documents.- H.Lee

    We parse the CMIS request query request and call PRS filter
    (Image Services) and then call INX_find_DIRs RPC.

    PRS filter doesn't support sorting. - H.Lee

    The request is indeed about the ���sort functionality���!

    Actually your last screenshot ���Search_ResultsDisplay.PNG��� is
    exactly what we are looking for. We would like to be able to
    choose a ���Sort by���. But we can���t, as IS-CMIS-Connector does not
    support it (no properties are marked sortable).

    The ordering you show (using header column click to sort)
    actually only works with less than 1000 results. If there is
    more, the sort is only applied to the first 1000, unless you
    first scroll to the bottom multiple times to load all further
    entries. That���s our customer���s main pain point.

    P8-CMIS refers to the CMIS-Connector in the P8-Suite of Software
    (FileNet P8 ��� Content Engine). Unrelated to this inquiry, but
    relevant as it shows the requested feature could be implemented
    in theory. - R.Merkt via client

    I checked in the Browse tab of ICN I was able to sort the
    documents or folders (about 100 documents in the folder were
    present) and the sort did work. - H.Lee

    Guest

    11:24am

    Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

    ich bin derzeit nicht im B���ro und werde Mails erst nach meiner
    R���ckkehr ab dem 25.4.2022 lesen und bearbeiten.

    Mit freundlichen Gr������en,

    Claudia Gehde-Akhuemonkhan

    Informationstechnologie

    Technische Anwendungen / IT-A/T

    Berliner Wasserbetriebe

    Neue J���denstra���e 1

    10179 Berlin

    >>> "IBM (NEIL Parrott)" 04/21/22 20:23 >>>

    Antworten Sie auf diese

    Nachricht und Ihre Antwort wird zur Idee hinzugef���gt

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    Set a property on which the search result should be sorted in the

    IS-Connector for ICN hat Status ge���ndert zu: Not under

    consideration

    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    In IDM Desktop and ISTK there was the possibility to set a

    property on which the search result should be sorted.

    Unfortunately this is no longer possible in the IS-Connector for

    ICN. Our customer does not use ICN, but has his own frontend

    solution using the ICN API for the search query in the

    background.

    Since it cannot be ensured in which order Image Services delivers

    the search result, all records of the search query must first be

    queried and then the entire search result must be sorted. For

    large files of up to 100,000 documents this takes an extremely

    long time. For security reasons, a direct search in the DocTaba

    table via SQL is not possible.

    Our suggestion is to re-implement the capability as it was in IDM

    Desktop.

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    NEIL Parrott

    Apr 1, 2022

    The ability to set a property in IDM Desktop search by which
    the search results are sorted cannot be achieved in the ICN
    Connector for FNIS. The reason is because this capability is not
    controlled by the ICN Connector for FNIS code, it is controlled
    by CMIS.

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    NEIL Parrott
    Apr 21, 2022

    CMIS/ICN passes a skip count to query. This is used to page through a list of documents.

    We use the skip count and do FIND DIR with match list until we have skipped the correct number of documents and then return the next batch of documents. As the user pages through more documentsthe skip count grows and the FIND DIR needs to be called more times to skip documents.- H.Lee

    We parse the CMIS request query request and call PRS filter (Image Services) and then call INX_find_DIRs RPC.

    PRS filter doesn't support sorting. - H.Lee



    The request is indeed about the “sort functionality”!

    Actually your last screenshot “Search_ResultsDisplay.PNG” is exactly what we are looking for. We would like to be able to choose a “Sort by”. But we can’t, as IS-CMIS-Connector does not support it (no properties are marked sortable).

    The ordering you show (using header column click to sort) actually only works with less than 1000 results. If there is more, the sort is only applied to the first 1000, unless you first scroll to the bottom multiple times to load all further entries. That’s our customer’s main pain point.


    P8-CMIS refers to the CMIS-Connector in the P8-Suite of Software (FileNet P8 – Content Engine). Unrelated to this inquiry, but relevant as it shows the requested feature could be implemented in theory. - R.Merkt via client



    I checked in the Browse tab of ICN I was able to sort the documents or folders (about 100 documents in the folder were present) and the sort did work. - H.Lee


  • Guest
    Apr 21, 2022

    Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

    ich bin derzeit nicht im B�ro und werde Mails erst nach meiner R�ckkehr ab dem 25.4.2022 lesen und bearbeiten.

    Mit freundlichen Gr��en,
    Claudia Gehde-Akhuemonkhan

    Informationstechnologie
    Technische Anwendungen / IT-A/T
    Berliner Wasserbetriebe
    Neue J�denstra�e 1
    10179 Berlin

    >>> "IBM (NEIL Parrott)" 04/21/22 20:23 >>>

    Antworten Sie auf diese
    Nachricht und Ihre Antwort wird zur Idee hinzugef�gt

    Digital
    Business Automation Ideas

    Set a property on which the search result should be sorted in the
    IS-Connector for ICN hat Status ge�ndert zu: Not under
    consideration
    -----------------------------------------------------------------

    In IDM Desktop and ISTK there was the possibility to set a
    property on which the search result should be sorted.
    Unfortunately this is no longer possible in the IS-Connector for
    ICN. Our customer does not use ICN, but has his own frontend
    solution using the ICN API for the search query in the
    background.

    Since it cannot be ensured in which order Image Services delivers
    the search result, all records of the search query must first be
    queried and then the entire search result must be sorted. For
    large files of up to 100,000 documents this takes an extremely
    long time. For security reasons, a direct search in the DocTaba
    table via SQL is not possible.

    Our suggestion is to re-implement the capability as it was in IDM
    Desktop.

    Idee ansehen

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    The ability to set a property in IDM Desktop search by which the search results are sorted cannot be achieved in the ICN Connector for FNIS. The reason is because this capability is not controlled by the ICN Connector for FNIS code, it is controlled by CMIS.